About suicide, fate of persons who committed suicide.

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   Feelings can arise in a person, brought forth by any experience, which culminate in the wish to put an end to one's life. For instance: "What are people going to say about my failure?" Or "Was he or she just playing with me?" Or "I can't take it anymore." "It doesn't matter," or "nobody loves me." These circumstances or even an illness can lead a person of any age to thoughts of suicide. The following should be of help.

   With most cases of suicide, the basic fallacy exists that there is no God and no afterlife; that nobody loves us and that life on earth is meaningless.

   But this selection of revealed texts shows that earthly life is a meaningful school and preparation for an eternal, blissful life and that it is wrong to leave this school of life prematurely.

   In any case, there is an eternal continuation of life, so we all will continue to live in the beyond, irrespective of how well or badly we lived our earthly life. So, is there life after life? That is not the question. The only question is what the quality of our life will be like there.

   It may be bliss right from the start. But it could also be more or less 'hellish' for some time. The aim of God is to wait as long as it takes for our stubborn souls to understand and become pure. If it takes a thousand years or 10 million years, so be it. He has a host of angels to guide and teach us.

   One has to understand that He will never destroy what He once created. God alone (the heavenly Father as and in Jesus) is infinite love, He has unlimited love for each person and wants to make us eternally happy.

   We have the complete freedom to choose between the two following alternatives:
Either we accept Jesus, love him more and more and live more according to the principles of heaven (humility, love of Christ, and love for your fellow man). This way, we become happier in this world and the one to come. We can achieve this quickly here on earth, for that is the main meaning and purpose of our earthly life. In the world beyond, the path of development takes longer- there the earthly body is missing which is a vehicle for the betterment of our soul.

   Or we reject Jesus and scorn him, living by the principles of hell (selfishness, egotism, pride, and imperiousness). This way, we become unhappier on earth and in the world beyond.

   If a person, for whatever reason, has suicidal thoughts, he should first consider the consequences which he must face following this course of action. Suicide makes it apparent that he does not know himself well enough. His body, the "space suit" of his spirit-filled soul, can be killed. But the soul is indestructible by material means and lives on eternally in the world beyond. This means: man can never extinguish his ego consciousness through suicide.

   So what are the consequences of suicide in the world beyond? Since man received his bodily life from God, to improve himself on earth (see Matthew 5, 48) - to move from pride to humility- suicide would rob him of all chances for progress. For he did not improve from moving to the world beyond, he is still the same flawed man, with one big difference: In the material body, he could act on the earth and gain knowledge in various ways. He could change and give his life a new direction.

   In the world beyond, he lives only inside himself and this will not be pleasing. He has lost the love of himself and it will be dark within him without love.

   Through suicide, there will be a break in the soul forever. This means the soul can never again reach full childhood as far as a relationship with God is concerned. It can take a very long time before such a person recognizes his harmful deeds and repents. Only then is he capable of improving his disastrous position. Such special grace is also described in the New Revelation.

   Suicide also has an effect on the appearance of the soul. A soul, which was pure love, has a sublime appearance. A soul which has committed suicide can, based on the degree of its transgression, look terrible.

   In many cases, suicide victims are overcome at the moment of committing the deed and do not bear sole responsibility. With those people, their detestation for life is not as great as one who commits suicide voluntarily. Judas Iscariot is a good example of this. Out of despair, he hung himself. But, in the world beyond, he soon saw his big mistake (Matthew 27.5). (Through his betrayal, he wanted to become the new Roman Emperor). He eventually followed Jesus, began to live by the principles of Heaven, and became blessed.

   So it follows, no circumstances should lead a person to commit suicide because he always loses out by taking such a step. This is why the loving education of children about God and neighbourly love is so important, since a person filled with love is normally free from such thoughts.

   What should those affected do? They should turn to Jesus in their hearts and ask him for help and guidance. But they should also talk to other people, since there is a network of those offering help.

   Here are some examples from the original text.

The various types of men committing suicide and their condition in the Hereafter

    [GGJ.04_152,01] (The Lord:) "However, there are different ways of committing suicide. When someone takes his own life because his own arrogance has been excessively humiliated by someone else and there is no possibility for him to take revenge - that is the worst kind of premeditated suicide. It is never possible for a soul to make amends completely for this type of suicide. A thousand times a thousand years must pass before a soul like that can be brought to a point where its withered, loveless phantom bones can at least be covered in a thin skin, far less an incarnation ( Author's footnote:- Here in the sense of fully enclosing the skeleton of the soul in spiritual 'flesh') of its whole being as incarnation is in reality a product of love and in its turn it re-awakens love.

   [02] If somebody looks at a maiden, who is very complete in the development of her body and is brimming with voluptuousness, he is immediately obsessed with her image. His heart will immediately glow with love and he will express the desire to call this maiden his own. Why is that so? Because the maiden's fully developed figure is purely a product of a great deal of love! The substance which is the basis of love can and must also arouse a similar feeling in her fellow men.

   [03] If on the other hand we were to consider another maiden who is terribly thin and I were to say to you, that she would not greatly arouse the heart of any man. He might secretly feel sorry for her, but it would still be difficult for him to fall in love with her. Again, why is this? Because her bones are covered with too little of that substance which is purely a product of love!

   [04] A soul that even on this earth has already been pure love, immediately appears in the hereafter to be most attractive, well developed and perfect as far as form is concerned. An avaricious, very selfish soul, however, appears to be very thin in the hereafter. There is still however some flesh and blood left because this soul at least has some love of itself, whereas a suicide is completely devoid of any love and his soul will necessarily appear as a skeleton in the after life. The only question that is open is whether it is a human skeleton or the skeleton of some animal!

   [05] We have already mentioned that there are several kinds of suicide, and I have specifically dealt in detail with the worst cases. A suicide of the worst kind does not appear in the hereafter in the form of a human skeleton, but as the skeleton of a dragon or a serpent or some other fierce wild animal. Why? You can easily think that out for yourself! A soul like that will never be able to achieve full perfection in its life.

   [06] Then there are those who commit suicide out of jealousy because of a maiden who, by no fault of her own, preferred another man to the jealous fellow who, when they met, tormented her with all kind of reproachful words, accusing her of infidelity which she never even thought to commit. A suicide like this arrives in the hereafter as the skeleton of a wolf, a dog or a cockerel because the inner nature of these animals rules the mind and the will of a fool like that, because those are the precedent origins of his soul which best represent the present main characteristics of his suicidal soul. These suicides also find it very difficult one day to achieve even a small degree of perfection in life.

   [07] Again, there are other suicides who have secretly committed a serious crime which they know to be punishable by a dishonourable and painful death. They know that their crime must come to light. What usually then happens? Driven by his terrible fear and his deserved pangs of conscience, a furtive criminal like this descends to the depths of despair and hangs himself. This soul will appear in the hereafter in the shape of the skeleton of its predecessors, creatures such as, for instance, salamanders, lizards and scorpions, all huddled together in a heap and surrounded by a wall of fire, usually in the shape of a giant fiery serpent. The wall of fire is part of one and the same soul as the other creatures from which the soul stems and is an element of their intelligence.

   [08] In summary, once a soul, because of a bad upbringing, is without any love, even love of self, the whole soul is permeated by hell as life's most vicious enemy. The soul within itself then becomes inimical to its own life and being and continually strives to end it in some painless way. Faced with this enmity, life in the end must itself fall apart and the soul can not possibly appear in the hereafter unless it has been dispersed into its individual primordial life forms, and even then only if they appear as fleshless skeletons which are merely evidence of the inevitable judgment.

   [09] With both man and animal, bone is the element which is most judged and most devoid of all love. As love can survive in bones as little as it can in stone, bones remain as a residue, even if only as soul substance, building blocks which can never contain love. It is still however easier for human bones to accept new life than it is for animal bones, far less the skeletal shells of insects or the gristle, cartilage and bones of amphibians.

   [10] Just imagine what will happen if one of these suicides enters the hereafter. What a difficult and lengthy process it will be before that soul can even begin to take the shape of a human skeleton and then to be covered with a skin and even with flesh, all of this from within itself.

   [11] In your minds you are now asking whether that soul will also suffer any pain. I can tell you; at times the worst, most searing pain and at other times none at all. When the soul is aroused in some way by approaching spirits which intend if possible to restore life to it, the soul suffers a terrible, burning pain all over but as soon as it comes to rest again, it has neither feeling nor consciousness and does not therefore feel any pain.

   [12] There are still many more ways of committing suicide which are not so detrimental in their effect on the soul as the two I have just described. However, no suicidal act can have favourable consequences for the soul.

The fate of persons who committed suicide

[GGJ.06_163,01] 01] After the meal an elder of the so called Jew-Greeks stood up and said to Me: "Lord, while we ate I have thought a lot about it, how one should not love the bodily life, but rather despise and flee it, to thereby attain and maintain the life of the soul! This is now quite clear to me; nevertheless there is still one point which does not make real sense to me. There exist people who are true arch enemies of their own life, and if they for one or another reason become tired of it, they take their own life. They then should above all attain the life of the soul! - What is Your opinion about this?"

[02] Said I: "Has God given them the bodily life so that they can destroy it?! The life of the body is the means given by God to man through which he should and must attain the life for the soul forever. Now, if he however, destroys the means prematurely, with what will he then maintain the life of the soul and actually attain it in the first place? If a weaver destroys his loom, how will he then weave his canvas on it? I say it to you: The suicides - if they are not insane - will with great difficulty or not at all possess the kingdom of the everlasting life! Since who has become such an enemy of his own life, in him is no love of life; but a life without love is no life, but death. - Do you now know how to understand this?"

The path of salvation of a person who had committed suicide can be found in volume 4 of the Great Gospel of John 148 - 151.

In case of a very heavy illness and suffering

The method of releasing somebody from suffering and pain by taking his life is not permitted by God as the following text shows:

[GGJ.06_039,02] [The Lord:] "For example: There was a very painfully ill person, and the best doctors knew no further means to heal the person from his great pain. But then it occurred to someone, and he said to the other doctors: 'Since this person is no longer to be helped by any means, let us give him a quick fatal poison, and at once he will be free from all his suffering!' As fast as it is said, it is done, and the suffering man was gone in an instant. Yes, these doctors have indeed freed the ill man from all his pain; but they have killed him, without thinking why God allowed such suffering to come to him, and what might become of his soul in the beyond. And as such the means was bad, which therefore can never bring about an absolutely good and pure purpose.

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